Alli Schaper: Microdosing, Mushrooms, and Policy Reform

In this episode of Divergent States , we sit down with Alli Schaper , CEO of Supermush and co-founder of the Microdosing Collective , to explore the evolving world of functional and psychedelic mushrooms. Alli shares her journey into microdosing advocacy, the challenges of navigating the gray market for psychedelics, and the urgent push for policy reform to ensure safe, legal access. We dive into the science behind microdosing, its profound benefits for mental health, creativity, and even athletic performance, and discuss why current regulations often overlook this powerful tool. Alli opens up about how psychedelics helped her family process grief and why storytelling is key to destigmatizing these substances. The conversation also highlights the risks of unregulated products (like gas station "shrooms"), the importance of community-driven advocacy, and the potential for cultural momentum to shape smarter policies. With psychedelic mushrooms gaining mainstream attention, from wellness brands to underground markets, we ask: Are we "legalizing the whole bottle of wine before the sip"? Tune in for a thought-provoking discussion on the future of microdosing, the role of functional fungi in daily health, and how everyday individuals can help drive this movement forward. Music by DylAlien. Takeaways Mushrooms can have a profound impact on physical and mental health. Microdosing can help maintain mental health and prevent burnout. Psychedelics can be valuable tools for processing grief. There is a cultural gap in understanding and accepting death. Microdosing is often misunderstood and misrepresented in popular culture. Functional mushrooms offer various health benefits beyond nutrition. Community and intentional gatherings are essential for wellness. Advocacy for microdosing is crucial for policy changes. The definition of a microdose is often misinterpreted. The Microdosing Collective aims to represent and support microdosers. There is a need for a legal safe pathway for microdosing. Education and research are crucial for microdosing advocacy. Community involvement enhances the impact of policy reform. The psychedelic gray market poses risks and opportunities. https://www.microdosingcollective.org/ https://supermush.com Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Psychedelic Science 25 02:53 Ali Schaper's Journey into Microdosing 06:08 Balancing Entrepreneurship and Advocacy 09:00 Personal Experiences with Grief and Psychedelics 12:01 The Intersection of Wellness and Mortality 15:05 Microdosing Collective and Its Goals 17:48 Functional Mushrooms vs. Psychedelic Microdosing 21:01 Benefits of Functional Mushrooms 23:57 Debunking Myths about Microdosing 28:45 Legal Pathways for Microdosing 30:12 Challenges in Microdosing Policy 32:05 Education and Community Engagement 34:52 The Role of Everyday Psychonauts 36:54 Understanding the Psychedelic Gray Market 39:47 Policy Adjustments for Safe Microdosing 41:25 Community-Driven Ethos in Regulation 43:01 Cultural Momentum and Storytelling 45:41 The Renaissance of Psychedelics 47:42 Collaborations and Community Initiatives 49:01 Supporting the Movement Send us Fan Mail Love the podcast? Help keep the conversations going by checking out our official merch shop! We've got t-shirts, hoodies, hats, mugs, stickers, and more, with new designs added regularly. Every purchase helps support independent, honest conversations about psychedelics, science, and culture. Shop now: https://divergent-states-shop.fourthwall.com/ <a href="https://firesidepro